Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

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Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by David Bond » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:53 pm

Fellow Modellers,

If you had the chance to influence the manufacturers, what wagon would you like to see produced in kit form, and in which scale?

Dave

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by pstanton » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:04 pm

Thanks David; good thought;

Just browsing my notes you might remember I emailed Cambrian; from their website:-

"Our range at present only includes one pre-Group kit (C84 MR Van), but we may introduce kits for LNWR one and four plank open wagons in 2017. "

Perhaps something for members to lobby for?

Also Ratio have only ever carried on with a few of their LNWR wagon kits; they seem well sought after on EBay so perhaps a bit of lobbying there?

All the best


Peter

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by simonweston » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:21 pm

Had a chat with Dart castings at Warley, they have the ex-Jidenco range. Wagon kits are sort of available now, has anyone tried to purchase one. May be temporarily unavailable soon as person handling them is going off for a while - pregnancy.
They would like to get feedback on them as they may do some upgrading.

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by Gary Wells » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:01 am

That would be a lot of lobbying Peter.

How about an alternative approach: Form a -gentlemanly- lobby group within the Society, organise some funds -a kitty of deposits on future orders- then approach Cambrian with one voice and an offer of £xxx in advance orders on their proposed kit. This will then allow them to at least manage their development costs and decide if the initial kit count makes the time invested worthwhile.

Just a thought.

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by pstanton » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:29 pm

Like it Gary. I'd be happy to have a go?!!

However, Would Philip like to lead?

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by simonweston » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:15 pm

There seem to be a variety of open and special wagons but what about covered goods. These were present on many trains but don't seem to be available as a basic plastic model. Trouble is we would want them to be from as early as possible but any supplier would want them to have lasted well into LMS or even BR days. D88 appears best compromise.

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by Mike Williams » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:17 pm

D88 would seem an ideal choice Simon. So far as I am aware two different kits have been made in 4mm by Model Wagon Company and David Geen, both whitemetal but not difficult to assemble. In 7mm Tim Hughes did kits in etched brass and cast resin. In 2mm there is an etched kit and I even do a resin one in Gauge 3. Looks like 3mm and Gauge 1 have been missed out!

If a van is wanted, what about the fairly common D45 meat van which has not been done in 4mm and not been available for some time in 7mm. So far as I am aware it has also not been done in any other scale, which may be relevant in these days of 3D CAD and solid printing.

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by simonweston » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:05 pm

Accept white metal fine for many but plastic would broaden the range of purchasers - think it would be good if could get someone to produce the equivalent of Ration wagons. Realised D88 available 15 mins after post approved ! However D45 better for us as came out earlier, still around in 1923 but did it get to LMS livery and survive there for a good number of years. Supplier would be more inclined to do it with the extra range of modellers.

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by murryb » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:51 am

What about the Motor car van D447,D446 some of which were in private owner livery.
The D42 Glass Wagon or the D38 Furniture Wagon might appeal
Please do not forget the 7mm modellers.

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Re: Wagons - What kit would you like to see?

Post by Mike Williams » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:24 am

To be pedantic those are coaching stock Murry, but you are quite right.

A plastic kit like Ratio requires huge up-front investment which few can afford, but the low volume equivalent is solid printing (and then I prefer using that as a pattern for resin casting). The beauty of 21ft NPCS is that the artwork can be modified and without starting from scratch you could produce a whole range of venhicles: horse box, open carriage trust, closed carriage truck, fish truck, ventilated Fruit and Milk etc. AND the artwork could then be re-scaled at the click of the mouse to make 4mm, 7mm and it would even be viable to make one-offs like 3mm: yes, even Gauge 3!

Modifying the artwork of a 21ft CCT to a 25ft or 27ft would also be easy.

It just needs somebody with enthusiasm, a couple of weeks spare and a good knowledge of 3D CAD. Any takers?

Mike

P.S. If you doubt the investment needed for plastic injection moulding just look at Slaters. That is their background and what they do all day long, but for short run kits like Gauge 3 they use cast resin because they can't get the thousands of orders they would need for plastic.

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