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 Post subject: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:25 pm 
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I spotted this photo on a certain well-known rip-off site while purchasing a couple of others for more main-stream modelling purposes, and wonder if the experts can tell me anything of its origins? On first spotting my initial thought was that maybe it was one of the ex-tender water tanks, but (a) it is clearly of wagon-type construction (although that solebar is unlike any other I'm aware of) and (b) with the number of bolts in the bodyside it doesn't look very waterproof! There seems nothing like it in the Wagon books, but perhaps despite the diamonds it's not really LNWR? Enlightenment, as always, would be warmly welcomed ...


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:41 pm 
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Its in the society collection :-
LNWRS 339 Open wagon.
Wooden Hopper Wagon No. 42764. Diamonds only. Ends, top of side, brake handle and u/f look light coloured. Sides may be unpainted. One wheel iron brake. Branded 'CLEATOR DISTRICT'.
Grease axleboxes. D044 S3

But I don't have a copy (may not have been scanned) else could load it to Zenfolio site.


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:09 am 
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Hi Dal,

Have a look at the link below, looks like you have found a picture of one of the hopper wagons in earlier LNWR livery

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Wagons/hoppers/Diag044.php

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:14 am 
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It is a Hopper Wagon of D.44, assigned to the Cleator District for the conveyance of iron ore. About 1400 wagons of this type were built between 1879 and 1891, with further ones built from 1897.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:56 am 
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Its a hopper wagon David. There was a series of diagrams for these with two different lengths and some with coke rails, whilst others were for iron ore in Cumbria, Northumberland sort of areas. The bolts in the side hold the central crossbar and also the bottom of the hopper inside.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:03 am 
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Further to my last post, the relevant diagrams are:

D28 Hopper coal wagon (West Cum), to carry 10tons
D29 Hoppered coke wagon (West Cum), to carry 10tons
D30 Hopper wagon, railed for coke (West Cum), to carry 10tons
D30a Coke wagon, Hoppered (West Cum), to carry 10tons
D44 Hopper wagon, to carry 10tons
D44a Hopper wagon, to carry 10tons

There was also a steel version, but that's quite different.

Would be Webbmaster like a list of all diagrams - a sort of index to the wagon pages and useful as a quick summary? (like the index in LNWR Wagons Vol.1)

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:05 pm 
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Very many thanks for all the info, folks - just shows what a wonderful resource the Forum (and Webbsite) can be! I presume the district branding implies these didn't stray very far from West Cumberland, so difficult to justify on my 4mm Home Counties layout, but in 7mm I might be tempted to have a go at one just as an exercise in scratchbuilding (as long as it doesn't mind running behind a Green With Rivets loco ...).

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:30 pm 
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Well xxxx me, its on the site then - thank you David :-)

Thanks for the offer Mike, will be useful.


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:00 pm 
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If you want one in 4mm try ABS, its listed in his 2013 catalogue though no price against it, but he may have a set of castings lurking somewhere


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Wagon?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:34 am 
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See Peter Ellis's article on hopper wagons, Journal Vol 4 No.1


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