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 Post subject: Nuneaton Loco Coal Wagon
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:02 pm 
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Pete Lee shared a photo of an LNWR 15 ton Loco Coal wagon with the legend 'To Be Returned To NUNEATON' on its side. Does this mean the wagon was allocated to Nuneaton Shed for its sole use or was it for general use by the LNWR but to be supplied with coal only from Nuneaton Colliery? We think its more likely the former because Pete has previously been told Warwickshire coal was not so good for firebox use because of its high ash content.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:41 pm 
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I've also seen a photograph of an LNWR wagon marked "return to Coundon Road Coventry". This was a domestic coal depot so possibly the Nuneaton wagon was for domestic coal also?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:29 pm 
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Thanks Steve.

Does this mean the LNWR had a policy of providing local merchants using their facilities with their own dedicated wagon(s). It still doesn't explain why a Loco Coal Wagon was being treated in this manner. Surely any LNWR Loco Coal wagon would be okay?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:25 pm 
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Well heres the circular announcing the requirement ...
http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Wagons/coal/Coal.php

A couple of diag pages on theres a reference to the illiterate symbols - excuse my lunch of humble pie .....


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:44 pm 
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In discussion on rmweb with a previous society member, there was 100 dia 27 coal wagons built with end tipping doors to cope with specfic traffic. They were marked as such "Swansea district only"

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... try2603484

Is it possible that these 15 ton wagons had a similar working constraint?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:56 am 
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Mike,

I have a photo of a converted D53 into a D54 10 tons traffic coal wagon No 54390. This wagon is also marked "Empty to Nuneaton".
There is also a photo on the LNWR web site that shows a wagon "Return to Doncaster via Market Harborough" No.22472.
Maybe the LNWR were hiring wagons to coal merchants at various locations?
Was the LNWR acting as a coal merchant using there own branded wagons?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:29 am 
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Mike, your photo of 47814 is not a loco coal wagon, it's a traffic coal wagon. See the Circular in Simon's link.

I presume it's a D54, although it's stated that the D54 conversions were 10T. Perhaps some of the later conversions were 15T?

All D54s were conversions of D53 8T traffic coal wagons, mainly built from 1883 to 1894. It is estimated that about 3500 were converted from D53 to D54, leaving about 3300 still running as D53. 47814 would have been one of the original 1883 batch, but it's date of conversion is not known. If I understand correctly, it must have been in this form before 1909, as it only has the diamonds, not "LNWR" lettering. (assuming that it was repainted on conversion!)

54390 would be part of a later batch (at least 54343 to 54455 probably) built about 1890/91 I would guess.

Unfortunately the Circular gives no indication of how these wagons were utilised. Were they hired, leased or allocated to merchants, collieries or factors, to use for their own orders? Or was the LNWR in business on its own account, perhaps buying from collieries and reselling to merchants? Was that legal, in fact? Surely there must be something in the minutes - presumably the Goods Conference or TC /GTC.

Without knowing that, it is difficult to speculate on why these wagons were marked "return to Nuneaton". It may be relevant that the Up and Down Sidings there were the main point for marshalling LNWR traffic from, and empties to, the Warwickshire coalfield. Is it possible that they were dedicated to that traffic, forwarded to various destinations as required?

(much of this has been written elsewhere by various people - I have brought it together here, hopefully in relevant way)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:33 pm 
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Thanks Reg.

Blindingly obvious when I looked again at the photo after you pointed it out! Thanks for your information and to everyone else for the information which I have added to the Nuneaton Steam Club Facebook page.

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Mike


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:23 pm 
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Its a diagram 58, not a D54. The section on traffic coal wagons on the LNWRS website covers the common types, but there was also D55 (RCH std), D56 (15 ton), D57 (15 ton), D58 (15 ton) and D59 (20 ton).

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:03 pm 
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To explain why those other diagrams of coal wagons were probably omitted, there were not many of them:

D55 3 off
D56 1 off
D57 1 off
D58 15 off
D59 1 off

So, presumably there was some traffic in Nuneaton which needed these special large coal wagons, but what was it?

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