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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:34 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:38 pm 
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"the CCT vans were flush sided"

Don't think so David. Late ones may have used steel panels, but still paneled - i.e. raised beading.

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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:28 am 
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The Star CCT was 25ft Long and had metal panels with beading over the joints the same method of construction as the 27ft. There are no surviving photos that are known except for some in the back ground which is a great pity. Might be something the society should put out as request to others and see what turns up.
There is a drawing in LNWR Liveries page 111


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:19 am 
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These are the drawings mentioned in the first posting the Mulliners is a bit of a mystery as the toplights do not conform to what is known and until a photo surfaces the drawing will have to be taken with caution unless somebody comes up with an answer.


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:25 pm 
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Mike Williams wrote:
"the CCT vans were flush sided"

Don't think so David. Late ones may have used steel panels, but still paneled - i.e. raised beading.

Mike


Well you learn something new every day. I thought when they changed to Steel sides the vans were flush sides and the lining painted on, not beading applied and then lined.

Another important piece of information learnt :)

David


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:23 am 
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T W Bourne in his articles for the Sept Model Railways says 37295 was lettered Return to Longbridge. Would that have been lettered as such in LNWR days. It has been suggested that some of the information needs to be treated with a bit of caution
My photo of 603 seems to be lettered To be Returned to Birmingham, where about's to.
What would have been the nearest access to Armourer Mills.


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:39 pm 
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To answer the last question first: Armourer Mills (Lanchester's) was in Montgomery St, Sparkbrook from 1900. This is the street on the opposite side of the canal from the GWR Bordesley Junction yard. This yard had some goods yard sidings on the Down side which would be the obvious despatch point for Lanchester. Obviously they preferred to use the LNWR, where the nearest public goods yards were Adderley Park and Curzon Street, each of them a mile or more away from the factory.


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:46 pm 
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As regards drawing 9386, the drawing states that it is a 27ft van, which is correct for 602. Presumably the four windows i/l/o 6 was just a draughtsman's error. It wasn't really relevant to the purpose of the drawing.

I wonder if 9400 was a corrected version of 9386, showing the corrected lettering for "established 1760"

I note there is no mention in the Minutes of the Officers' Conference for Mulliner's in 1906/7 nor wagons 600, 602 (unless everyone has missed it - there is no original index). Indeed there are few branded wagons at all mentioned in the period 1904-10.


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:29 pm 
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A bit of background about Mulliner's. This was originally established in Northampton in 1760 and went through a succession of Francis Mulliner, father, son and grandson. by the 1870s there were also branches of the business in Leamington and Liverpool, run by brothers.

The first section of the business to be established as a limited liability company was "H Mulliner and Company Ltd" incorporated in 1884 for the Northampton and Leamington branches, operated by Henry (1827-1887). He may have been looking to hand over to his son at the age of 57. He died three years later in 1887 and the Leamington business was sold to Benison Brothers. His son Arthur Felton Mulliner carried on the Northampton business.

The Liverpool branch of the business was run by Robert Bouverie Mulliner and later by another Francis Mulliner. This one was incorporated as "Francis Mulliner Ltd" in 1888.

Other Mulliner businesses followed later in London and in Birmingham.

Most if not all of these branches had their own vans at some point. Full details of types, sizes and numbers seems hard to come by.


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