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 Post subject: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:21 am 
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I have received some drawings of the 27ft CCT which show two different styles of construction
One a GA dated 28/10/05 and with No 8340 in the middle of the works stamp, shows six toplight windows also what looks like an accounting number
SX110 & A379 A/C'S and underneath in pencil 6
The other is the lettering design for MULLINERS No 602 showing 4 toplight windows, date hard to read but looks like 03 and in the middle of the Works stamp is 188 with a line under above 9386 any information about the differences please

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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:09 pm 
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Testing to see if forum works; please ignore.


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Drawing 8340 refers to the 6 vehicles of D.446 turned out in 1906 under the account numbers you mention. For the record they carried running numbers 269, 271, 576, 580, 602 and 603. All reached the LMS as 4600-5, five still existed in 1933 (37293-7) and the last withdrawal was 1954.

I am not familiar with the other drawing, but Drawing 9400 of 18/09/07 is listed in the Drawings Register as Mulliner's 27ft 0in CCT No.602, showing writing. This drawing does not appear in the NRM list. As far as I know all these CCTs had six toplights.

A drawing of this type was published in "The Locomotive Magazine" for May 15th 1906.

Mulliners also hired a 25ft 0in CCT to D.447, No 600 turned out on 16/07/1907 (SX136 A/c). A drawing of this type appears in "LNWR Liveries" Page 111, and this did have four toplight windows. The text wrongly states that No.600 was assigned to Forder and Co., but in fact it was assigned to Mulliner's from new . Drawing 9054 dated 08-02-07 shows Lettering for Mulliner's 25'0" CCT No.600. I don't have Drawing 9386 but the NRM list shows this as Mulliner's Truck 602. This may be an error. Drawing 9386 would date from September 1907, when both 602 and 600 were already in service. Drawing 9400 does, as I say, show No.602.

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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:16 am 
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The drawings came from the NRM Wolverton Works list. Is it possible that there is a diagram number that is missing or not known about. I have asked if the drawings can be posted with copyright across them, awaiting reply.
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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:02 pm 
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The 27ft 0in CCT of D.446 had six toplight windows per side, the 25ft 0in CCT of D.447 had four toplight windows per side. I have no doubt about that.

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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:25 am 
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This is what caught my attention in the list of drawings


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:29 am 
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Did the Lanchester Van ever get built or is it another of the vans that were drawn and never built?


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:34 am 
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This drawing was for the position of the destination plates so the vehicle most likely did exist. If it did it would have been very colourful


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:11 pm 
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A company called "Barry Locomotive and Carriage and Wagon Works" has been producing self adhesive sides to put on Hornby Dublo tinplate wagons: a bit of a novelty but they seem to be quite popular; scale modellers would have a fit!

Anyway they have loosely chosen some LNWR prototypes. I ordered some for review and have attached a scan of the two motor car vehicles. I haven't had a chance to follow them up but in view of this string I thought I'd let people see them!

These two are sized to go on the old printed tinplate long wheelbase van so are probably nowhere near the right length. As I say; a novelty but I'll bring them to Kidderminster stuck to two old vans I got for 50 pence each!!


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 Post subject: Re: 27ft CCT
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:22 pm 
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It will be very interesting to those in the flesh as I wonder how well they will sit on stock, though the CCT vans were flush sided.

The colour looks light, or is that your scan Peter?

While a scale modeller might have a fit it is an easy start for someone entering modelling the LNWR to have some variety of stock while building up there modelling skills

David


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