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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:52 pm 
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I am going to try break my habit of posting links to photos on the Warwickshire Website and then ask for information. I think it might be better if I posted the photos as is without any guessing on my part. This might reduce the number of occasions I go red in the face! This is the fourth photograph:

Coventry Shed in 1911 with Loco Coal wagons with the LNWR diamond illiterate sign on them

As always, full credit will be given to sources of information.

Thanks Mike


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:30 am 
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Mike - it is by no means generally accepted that the diamond marks were "illiterate" symbols. Many people believe that they were simply what today would be called "logos". Even before the 1870 Education Act made primary education compulsory, most children received a basic education ("The three R's) in church schools. I would have thought that the railway would not employ anybody who was illiterate, except perhaps in the lowest grade of labouring jobs.

The object of the marks was to enable staff to easily recognise wagons belonging to that company (rather than attempting to read the cast iron plate on the solebar, often in the dark). It was important for an LNWR staitonmaster to easily recognise non-LNWR wagons which if detained would incur demurrage charges. And LNWR wagons needed to be sent on (empty) to their next destination or place where they were required.

The Shell logo is not intended to enable illiterate motorists to identify Shell filling stations!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:32 pm 
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Hi Philip.

I should have made it clear that the description of the photo provided by me for this and the other photographs were written by a well known, dare I say, respected author. Until I saw it I hadn't heard of the description before. Therefore like you I thought it was a logo.

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