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 Post subject: LNWR 0-6-2T
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:31 pm 
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Can anyone clarify why No 58916 was fitted with extra wide side tanks. One of the comments on Facebook with the photo stated 'Built in 1886, withdrawn in 1950, 58916 was the only LNWR 'Coal Tank' to be fitted with these widened side tanks'.

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Mike


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 Post subject: Re: LNWR 0-6-2T
PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:45 pm 
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Hi Mike,

You should look into Pete Skellon's very thoroughly researched book about the Coal Tanks: Bashers, Gadgets and Mourners, published by the Bahamas Locomotive Society.

Two engines were given wider tanks, LMS 7744 in May 1927 and 7759 in November 1927; 7744 was withdrawn in 7/1931, but 7759 lasted until 10/1950, as 58916. Pete says (on page 59): "both engines were reportedly intended for working over the Wirral lines and allocated to Birkenhead North". Presumably that had something to do with why they were each given 250 gallons of extra water capacity in the widened tanks.

Harry.


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 Post subject: Re: LNWR 0-6-2T
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:41 pm 
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Further information on the widened tanks on the coal tanks appears in Campbell Highets book 'All Steamed Up' published by Oxford Publishing Coy in 1975. Campbell Highets was the Shedmaster at Birkenhead North and in chapter 6 of the book is the following paragraph - 'Shortly after the amalgamation of 1923, two of Webb's Coal tanks made their appearance on the section. These were 7744 and 7759. The former had been scrapped when I got there (Feb 1935), but 7759 was still very much in evidence. These two engines had been fitted with with side and bunker tanks several inches wider than standard, in order to carry sufficient water for the round trip of 24 miles. The original capacity of 1,150 gallons was enhanced by some 350 gallons'

After the Wirral lines were electrified the steam engines were dispersed and on 31.12.48 no 7759 was allocated to Monument Lane (3E). I have beenun able to trace the withdrawal date but she did not last beyond 1950 and at some time the number was given the prefix two.

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 Post subject: Re: LNWR 0-6-2T
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:43 pm 
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To finish the story:

Coal tank 7759 (LNWR no 3387) finished its career at the ex LNWR shed, but now part of the Western Region, at Abergavenny (86K) as 58916, being withdrawn between 9.9.50 and 7.10.50.

I have not been able to find out when the tanks were widened.

Peter


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 Post subject: Re: LNWR 0-6-2T
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:33 pm 
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To add a little more on this topic - and with thanks to Harry for his kind comments on the 'Bashers...' book, attached is a photo of part of Crewe drawing 6648 of 1927 (in the NRM archive at York) which shows a section through the side tanks of a 'coal tank'. It shows both the normal width tank and also that "..for water capacity of 1400 gallons" that is 250 additional to the standard 1150 capacity.
To be pedantic - it was engines 3105 and 3387 which had their water capacity increased, which were then renumbered 7744 and 7759 respectively prior to leaving the Works.
7744 was withdrawn in 1931.
7759 didn't receive the prefix 2 to its number, but was the first of the class to receive a BR number, as 58916, albeit with LMS repainted on the side tanks (see 'Bashers...' page 67).
Following the demise of Birkenhead North the engine was at Crewe and Llandudno Jct (1938), Holyhead (1940), Llandudno Jct, Willesden (1945), Monument Lane, Abergavenny (1948). It was withdrawn from the latter depot in October 1950.
I have been unable to find any 'official' authority that these two engines were modified specifically for working on the Wirral, this information being reported in the 'enthusiast publications' of the time.
Campbell Highet was a colleague and friend of J M Dunn (who helped save 1054), and corresponded on a number of railway topics. He wrote Dunn's obituary for the May 1969 issue of the SLS Journal.


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 Post subject: Re: LNWR 0-6-2T
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:40 pm 
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Many thanks to Harry, Peter and Pete for such fullsome information. Its very much appreciated.

Mike


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