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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:58 pm 
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The biography of W J Bassett Lowke by his niece Janet Bassell-Lowke published in about 1999 refers to two model railways supplied by the firm Bassett-Lowke to the L&NWR. The first, with a photograph (page 148), is referred to as a 2" gauge comprehensively signalled model for instructional purposes was supplied in 1908. The track has only two running rails so it is unclear what form of propulsion was used, I believe two rail electric propulsion did not come into use until after WW11.

The second model,with a photograph on page 148, is also referred to as gauge 2 although it appears to be to a smaller scale than the first model. Attention has been paid to the scenery and is powered by a third rail between the running rails. It was supplied to the order of the L&NWR in 1912.

Are any details of these models known, where they were installed and what became of them.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:39 pm 
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Hello Pete;

I asked my colleagues in the HMRS and Sydney Leleux has replied as follows:-

"The 8th Edition of the Model Railway Handbook by W.J.Bassett-Lowke, published sometime
after 1925 (it has a photograph of RH&DR Green Goddess, built 1925, on trial on the R&ER) has a chapter
‘Model Railway Interlocking’. It
explains the need for interlocking and how it can be achieved by sliding
tappets within the locking table. The
signalling and associated locking requirements for a siding with a trailing
crossover are then described. The
chapter finishes with an illustration of a ‘Model of junction fully signalled and
interlocked for instruction purposes’, and a second shot on the same model
captioned ‘Inter-locking frame on model junction’. The second illustration, captioned ‘Portion
of signalling instruction table showing locking frame’ was an illustration in
the 12th Edition of the Handbook, reprinted in June 1946. There is no indication in the text where this
model might be, but as the locos have an LNWR ‘look’ about them, and the coach
has dark lower panels and ‘white’ upper panels, I suspect it was constructed
for the LNWR signal school.

The baseboard is a table, probably about 12ft long and 15in
wide for three quarters of is length then widening to about 20in. The track gauge is 2in (see W.J.Bassett-Lowke by his niece Janet
Bassett-Lowke, Rail Romances, c1999).
The layout is very simple, being a double track main line with a double
track branch. Just before the junction
points there is a goods layby siding, accessed by a trailing crossover so there
is a short trap siding, and between this crossover and the junction points
there is a trailing crossover in the main line.
The lever frame – naked, without any suggestion of a signal box - is
beside this crossover. Each end of each
track is terminated by a basic rail-built buffer stop.

Twenty four levers in the frame controlled sixteen signals,
two crossovers, and the two junction points, the facing one having a point lock
with locking bar. Three levers were
spare. The signals comprised distant,
home and starter for each route in each direction, two ringed arms to control
the exit from the siding, and a ground signal in the ‘six foot’ at each end of
the main line crossover, one of which presumably controlled access to the
siding as well.

The two trains illustrated were a symbolic passenger,
comprising a brake composite coach and 4-4-0T, and an equally symbolic goods,
comprising an open wagon and brake van, hauled by what was probably another
4-4-0T. There could have been two more
trains, which would permit two on the main, one on the branch held at signals,
and a goods in the loop. As there was
neither a third rail nor any clockwork control levers visible in the loco cab,
and as I do not think 2-rail had then been invented and live steam would have
created operational problems, and bearing in mind the very limited facilities
for running, I strongly suspect that the locomotives were unpowered, being
pushed to appropriate positions."

I've thanked Sydney for his input.

Regards


Peter.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:55 am 
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Many thanks Peter, and to Sydney Leleux, for the comprehensive description of the L&NWR instructional model. It had not occurred to me to consult the Model Railway Handbook of which I have a (much battered) copy of the 12th edition reprinted June 1946.

From the form of the model with its comprehensive signalling arrangements I would assume that its purpose was the instruction of signalling stall although it could possibly have been for Signal and Telegraph staff. In either case Crewe would have been a reasonable location.

More information would be interesting

Peter


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:24 pm 
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Were the basset lowke locos of that period not wind up clockwork motor driven? Would explain why only two rails and locos being powered under their 'own' steam

David


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:43 pm 
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I have an idea that the LNWR had a Signalling School at Euston, but it might take a while the locate a refence for this!

You also ought to speak to the volunteer team at the NRM who maintain and operate the L&Y instructional railway. I know that Bob Brook, one of the team volunteers, has been collecting info on all Railway Co model railways, not just the L&Y, and he and his mates give talks on the subject. They may well have details of the LNWR. Obviously they are not in every day, but if you ring the NRM I am sure they will give you contact details.

Cheers, Reg


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:12 am 
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Gentlemen

Thank you for your various comments and suggestions.

I will take up the suggestion of Reg regarding the YRM.

Best wishes

Peter


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:26 pm 
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Further thoughts on this ...

There were some items in the LNWR Gazette on signalling instruction classes. Not sure if any of them mention a model, though.
vol1 no2 (1912) p30
vol1 no3 (1912) p74
vol2 no5 (1913) p32 - distribution of certificates

Also there is a letter on this subject in Jounral vol1 no.6 (1995). I haven't looked - was it from you by any chance?


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:34 pm 
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I should have added that the LNWR Gazette is available at the Study Centre, as well as on the open shelves at the NRM Library.

The details were located on the "bibliography" section of the Webbsite, which anyone can use!

[moderator, is there any way of pasting into the previos post, please?]


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:37 pm 
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also from the LNWRS bibliography on the Webbsite:

Railway & Travel Monthly Vol 1 no.7 (1910) p595 - LNWR's signalling instructional model

- definitely one to look at! R&TM is available at the Study Centre


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:34 pm 
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Thank you Reg for your further thoughts. The letter in vol 1 of the Journalwas not mine - apart from odd copies aquired since joining I have nothing before the early issues of vol 4.

I have not yet been in contact with the NRM and you have now pointed me in the direction of the Study Centre which I will follow up as and when the opportunity occurs.

As and when I acquire more info I will post it on the forum.

Best wishes

Peter


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