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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:49 pm 
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I was interested to read in the LNWRS 40th Anniversary publication that a Train Control Office was opened at Shrewsbury in September 1913. Having researched the Joint Officers' Conference minute books, I was surprised that I had not noticed a reference to the Train Control Office therein. My notes indicate that a new Joint Regulators Office was opened at Shrewsbury on 25th November 1918, and until now I have assumed that this office was the first of its kind at Shrewsbury.

Am I correct in thinking that a Train Control Office was the same thing as a Regulators Office? Some further questions remain to be answered. What did the GWR make of the LNWR Office in 1913, did the GWR also adopt Train Control Offices, if so when, and was the 1913 office in fact a "Joint" Train Control Office?

Can anyone can answer these questions? Any information would be appreciated.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:56 pm 
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Can the identity of the source document(s) for the article on Train Control Offices be made known?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:27 pm 
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Yes, they can:

LNWR Officers' Conference minutes, , especially 43811, 43847, 43986, 44012, 44186, 44223
LNWR Passenger Traffic Comm minutes, especially 12288, 12362, 12556, 12595, 12647, 12751, 12887, 12934, 12998 etc
LNWR WTTs (various from July 1913) - list of control offices in back
LNWR NN&P weekly notices 1912 & 1913 (LNWRS Archive WN)
LNWR NN&P WTTs, Working Book Notices, Marshalling Circulars etc Jan-Dec 1913 (NRM ALS4/132/C/6)
LNWR Staff Registers re appointment of controllers etc (RAIL410/1948 etc)
"LNWR Gazette" 1913 vol2 no.7 p76; July 1913 vol 2 no.11 p206; May 1920 vol 9 no.91 p45; May 1921 vol 10 no.105 p103
"Railway Engineer" Oct 1912 p308; Sept 1913 p278
"Railway & Travel Monthly" 1913 vol 7 No.41 p261; 1915 vol 10 no.60 p264; 1922 vol 25 no.148 p130
"Railway Magazine" 1913 vol 32 p261, vol 32 p522; 1914 vol 34 p92; 1917 vol 41 p297
LMS booklet on Train Control Arrangements
LNWRS Journal vol 2 no.4


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:41 pm 
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As far as I know, the LNWR did not have a Control Office at Shrewsbury, and neither did the GWR. I have found nothing in the minute books to indicate that they did, and the statement in the book may be as mis-interpretation of the records. It seems that it was one of the last places to be included in the scheme, as late as 1918.

The GWR did have Control Offices, but only at important places such as Birmingham, Bristol, Swansea etc.

A Regulator's Office is a scaled-down version of a Control Office, and I believe would be just a single man (on each shift) in a hut somewhere. I think he would deal with traincrew relief as well as train running and traffic loading, whereas in a Control Office there might well be a separate man for each. These were at less busy places where the level of goods traffic meant that it would not be an excessive amount of work for a single man.

I imagine that the Joint Regulator at Shrewsbury would work with the LNWR Control at Basford Hall, and ?? possibly the GWR Control at Birmingham (and/or Chester?), passing information in each direction. See WTTs and Appendices for details of the area covered.


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