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 Post subject: L&NWR station in art
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:47 pm 
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The BBC have an interesting website which 'aims to show the entire UK art collection'!

A search found this, see :-


http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings ... ion-162709

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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:54 am 
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I'll venture L&M. I found an almost but not quite here:

http://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/bridges/waterstreet.html

If you apply artistic licence both ways then...... There is an account of the opening of Liverpool Road station towards the end of the article which I haven't seen before.

Over to the experts.

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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:04 pm 
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A fascinating painting, Martin, thanks!

I can't see it as the L&M in Manchester, the details of the bridge are different, and those of the surroundings don't fit old plans. The painting is from a collection in Wigan, and Wigan seems more likely as its subject, looking south along Wallgate under the North Union Railway bridge and with the station on the left. The present Swan & Railway pub occupies the site of the buildings on the right.

The loco seems to be a Bury-type, which also makes the Liverpool & Manchester Railway unlikely.

The date is given as 1832, the year Wigan station was opened, but London & North Western in the painting's title must have been added later; obviously after 1846, or after 1847 when the Lancs & Yorks station was opened and (presumably) the earlier one was given its distinguishing suffix, becoming Wigan North-Western.


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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
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Similar, different date. Note the degree of artistic licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/wigan-approach-to-london-and-north-western-railway-statio162703

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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 3:38 pm 
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This is weird: a different but similar painting.

Two engines, now going from left to right (again they look like the Bury-type) and differences in the buildings. This is certainly Wigan station, so the dates "1830" and "1832" are too early. The Wigan to Preston section of the North Union Railway wasn't opened until 1838, so that is the earliest year it could have been painted. Whishaw (1842) describes the bridge over Wallgate, with its "two rows of cast-iron fluted Doric columns, six on each side, which separate the footways from the carriage-way". He also says the N.U. locomotives "are all on Bury's plan".

If it was painted when the line had recently opened, which seems likely, the title must have been added much later.


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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 10:03 am 
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This doesn't get us anywhere really, but, Wallgate bridge circa 1890 -looking up the hill towards Wigan centre- obviously rebuilt. Rebuilt when? The building on the left the other side of the bridge is the Swan and Railway originally The Swan. I would draw your attention to the second bracket lamp there which bears a passing resemblance to the one on the right hand wall in the paintings.

Please note the excavated road with nary a workman in sight.

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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:15 pm 
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Very interesting, Gary - thanks!

Can't say when this bridge replaced the early one in the paintings, but everything visible seems to match the 25-inch plan surveyed in 1889-92.

There were then three tracks over the bridge, plus open spaces at the ends of the two station platforms, off to the right. The photographer was standing at the end of Queen Street, out of sight on the right, and perhaps the photo was taken to record the scene before the station and bridge were rebuilt in 1890-4.

The bridge which replaced this one was much wider, with six tracks plus station platforms, and the pawnshop on the left and the building opposite were swept away for the bridge widening.


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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
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Here is another painting which may be of interest!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings ... ation-5876

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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 2:07 pm 
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Another nice one. Older members might remember this painting from the rear cover of the March 2000 Journal (Vol. 2, No. 12). The following issue, June 2000 (Vol. 3, No. 1) had an interesting letter about the colour of the carriage end.

The title of the painting: "Entering Euston Station" could be misleading. The station is to the right, under the Ampthill Square (north) bridge. The artist was looking out of the back window of a house in Hampstead Road, late in the day according to the shadows.


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 Post subject: Re: L&NWR station in art
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 5:33 pm 
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Harry

Thanks for pointing out that it had been in the Journal, it is hard to recall everything!

Here is another :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings ... line-33815

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